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Lord Zekk
Caldari
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.04.08 07:03:00 -
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Nice attempt to get these guys to care and hopefully try and fight back boss. Though after all the posts we've seen from most of the Frogs its pretty clear that the loss of so much territory has driven them crazy.
You know what Atra, I think they're right. You've got it all wrong. How does taking territory make the Caldari win. In the history of warfare when has taking over the enemies territory equaled winning if you've lost more troops in the battle. When the Goons take over territory from other alliances they don't really win because they have larger numbers and have taken more losses at times. Right?
NO WAIT, IT IS LOSING!!! Just because you want to pretend it's not losing doesn't make it so. It's like someone saying "I didn't lose because you destroyed my ship in PVP. It doesn't "really" mean anything and I don't lose because I said so." Guess what it is just a game and none of it "really" means anything. Though the point of faction warfare is to take over your enemies space.
Now killing the enemy might be a form of entertainment and I'm not saying that it isn't. I'm not saying you shouldn't join FW if you don't want to plex and you only want to PVP. That's all fine too. As Atra always says, "It's your 15$, do what you want." But, please don't pretend that losing space isn't losing in FW.
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Lord Zekk
Caldari
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.04.08 07:06:00 -
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 Originally by: Ronin Reborn
Originally by: Atraxerxes
Originally by: Ronin Reborn
Plexing doesn't matter.
We're not playing your version of Faction Warfare.
So Bueller, how's is it again that Plexing doesn't matter?
Name one way that it does.
You get occupancy which means the rats in the plexes are friendly. Now players will claim we don't fight in plexes so it doesn't matter. But a lot of people do. We killed a Domi with 2 rifters and a BB. That would not have been possible without the support of NPS rats in the unrestricted plex. Is that real enough?
Did I also mention it equals winning at FW. That may not matter to you, but it still equals winning at FW.
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Lord Zekk
Caldari
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.04.08 08:03:00 -
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Originally by: Ronin Reborn
Edited by: Ronin Reborn on 08/04/2009 07:28:34
So your retort is that plexing changes.....plexing (rat spawns). You wonder why so many choose not to plex? Because unlike anything else in Eve it affects nothing beyond itself. Well, that and it's mindnumbingly boring, at least in my opinion. As far as 'plexing for pvp' there are a million ways to get a fight that doesn't involve PVE.
Seriously Caldari chestbeating because they have the patience to orbit a beacon for x# of minutes is sad. You've said that no one is trying to stop you so why are you bragging? Do you want someone to care? Do you want a medal like Ankh? I don't understand the point of the thread.
Just because you want to play FW a certain way does not in any way mean others are obligated to follow suit. Or give a **** for that matter.
edit::grammar
If you are interested in PVP and find that other ways are more effective go do that. We enjoy our PVP in this way. Correct me if wrong, but you enjoy FW PVP as well which why you are a part of FW even though you don't like plexing.
The "certain way" we're playing FW is the way it is meant to be played to win. I'm not saying that anything else is wrong/bad/shouldn't be done. If you have fun doing something in FW by all means do it and if you don't like something don't do it. However winning is FW is determined by the amount of territory a faction able to capture and defend. Plain and simple.
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Lord Zekk
Caldari
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.04.08 08:52:00 -
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Originally by: Turelus
Originally by: Odewad
Your whole problem, other than obvious E-peen envy, is you failed to notice that Gallente were French. You actually expected the French to fight for their territory? White flag, cheese and some wine please!
THIS!
I can't wait for that epic story we get when we take every FW system! I guess after that we could also go and help the Amarr finally put down those slaves.
Aye. It's not gonna be too long before we deal with these freedom loving democratic frogs. I just hope the last Gal system doesn't fall before I get back.
It's gonna be a pleasure helping the Amarr crush those slaves.
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Lord Zekk
Caldari
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.04.08 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Irida Mershkov
That is actually the best argument i've ever seen for plexing from the Caldari side. However, from what you've basically just said, you run plexes to get NPC's to help you blob out your opponents?
I like to think of it as home side advantage. Someone came after us in Domi. We used this strategy to take him out. Our only other option would have been to run. There is no way 2 Rifters and a BB have the DPS to take down a Domi. Say what you want I'm pretty proud of the fact that we were able to take down a superior foe.
Originally by: Ratchetman
Before anyone else says 'we win', let me point out the fact that you can conquer every system, and you still won't win because there is no end to factional warfare. What you can say is that you dominate the plexing side of factional warfare at the moment. If you show a poor attitude when you are winning, imagine how much more it will hurt you when you are losing. Circumstances will change over time, as they always do.
Good point on the we win. Knowing Atraxerxes and most of the 22nd I'm sure they don't have a poor attitude. We've basically tried everything to get the Gals to come out and plex against us. I know a lot of you prefer staying out of plexing and just sticking to combat which is fine. To each their own, but I'm pretty sure a lot of you, who would plex and fight in plexes, feel like it's a hopeless cause. I might be wrong but, I'm pretty sure this is Ax's way of ****ing you guys off enough to want to reclaim your systems and even try and take some of ours. Nothing else seems to be working including CCPs little call to arms. (Yes I know there aren't many direct ingame benefits), but I'm sure there are good number of you who would like to have that damn Caldari Occpancy Tag removed from your systems enough to fight for it.
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Lord Zekk
Caldari
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.04.09 04:23:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Zekk on 09/04/2009 04:23:52
I'm not sure what the other 22nd pilots are talking about coz I haven't been very active in the past. As far as I know none of (barring one or two exceptions that I might be unaware of) the 22nd pilots use WCS, i just gimps your setup when you get into a fight.
Second I haven't come across any of the better known Gal militia chaps using WCS either.
The 22nd do plex a lot and we do fight a lot.
@ the 22nd pilots. I know it sucks when people say stuff about our corp that isn't true especially when we are aware of the high standard that we are held to by our leaders and corp members, but don't get sucked into a the 22nd are cowardly stabbed up plexers who can't pvp to save their lives and only fight when outnumbering their opposition argument. It's pointless.
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Lord Zekk
Caldari
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.04.19 16:29:00 -
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I like how per player figures are quoted in terms of VP and kills to prove the Gals are doing a better job and that you blame the loss of space on the Caldari having larger numbers. It's a war. Not a tournament. We're not meant to be evenly matched. It would be ideal but 2 sides are never equally matched. Why don't you try recruiting? You seem to have some shiny stats you can use in your favour.
The Map is blue. Do something about it. (And calling the 22nd cowards in the forums really doesn't count) Rushing into every battle isn't exactly smart. Taking on 3 opponents who out tank and out gun you when you have snowball's hope in hell isn't brave, it's stupid, it doesn't matter what side you're on. If you have a strategy that would allow you to defeat your opponent, than that's a different scenario.
Why don't you come and try and retake V.V or stop us from taking the surrounding regions. You might get a bit more of the 22nd than you can handle.
You can call us whatever you like in the forums all day long. Really isn't gonna change who we really are and what we're really about. Good luck with the smear campaing.
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Lord Zekk
Caldari
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.04.21 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Matharos
I saw a 22nd in Hey the other day and I was like "oww maybe easy target" all because of this thread...
We may have some warped rep on the forums, but being a 22nd member I can assure you, as you might have already experienced, there are more than a few 22nd pilots one wouldn't want to catch themselves in a dog fight with.
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